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  • Welcome to Pro Craps
  • The Pro Craps Method
  • Money Management
    • Bankroll Control
    • At the table: Rail & Session
  • Craps Theory
    • Respect the 7
    • House Edge
    • Odds
    • Probabilities
    • Exposure
    • Variance
    • Trends and Streaks
  • Who Are You as a Player?
    • Your "Personality"
    • Bankroll and Play Style
    • Goals and Play Style
  • Approach
    • "Paycheck" Mentality
    • Home Run Swings
    • 3 Phase Play
    • Grinding It Out
    • Short Stack
  • Craps Toolkit
    • Building a Strategy: Overview
    • Know Your Bets
    • Hedging
    • Pass & Come Odds
    • Dark Side Odds
    • Playing with "House Money"
    • Opening Moves
    • Pressing Concerns
    • Pressing Patterns
    • Positive Progressions
    • Negative Progressions
    • Regression
    • Streak and Trend Betting
  • Strategies
    • Line Betting
      • Progressions
      • Parlay Press
      • Baccarat
    • Dark Side Strategies
      • Vitamix
      • Backwall Lay
      • 3 Point Dolly
      • Dolly Ladderson
    • Light Side Strategies
      • The Mind
      • 3 Point Johnny
      • The Dallas Drawdown
      • Philly Special
      • Tier Pressure
      • 4/10 Plays
      • The Red Cross
      • Come Ladder
    • Hybrid Strategies
      • 555 - 6, 7, 8
      • Hedgeless Horseman
      • The Odds Maker
      • The Border
      • The Butterburg
    • Side Bets & Good Times
      • Hardway Parlay
      • Marching Soldiers
      • DIY Repeater
  • Dice Control
    • Framing the Issue
    • Goal: 7 Avoidance
    • Goal: Targeting Numbers
    • Epic Randomness
    • Overcoming Randomness
    • The Case Against Dice Control
    • Unpacking the Studies
    • Parr Toss
    • Chopper Toss
  • Practice
    • Betting
    • Dealing
    • Throwing
    • Leaving
  • Notes
    • Resources
    • Golden Throws List
    • Upcoming Videos
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  1. Dice Control

Framing the Issue

Let's get 2 things straight ... Every roll is random. Humans can control the dice. Huh? Trust me.

Questions:

Correct Terminology

  • Dice Controller

  • Dice Influencer

  • Controlled Shooter

  • Experienced Shooter

  • Rhythm Roller

  • Random Roller

Is every throw random?

  • Yes, of course

  • But is this black and white?

  • Are there degrees of random?

    • How does a dice controller try to overcome randomness?

What are dice controllers trying to control, exactly, and how?

This is a great opportunity to share survey results (70% want to avoid 7, 22% want to target #s)

  • The 7

    • Prolonging rolls

    • Gaining an advantage over house edge

    • Changing the probabilities

  • Targeting numbers specifically

Can the dice be controlled?

Share some reddit, email, and youtube comments here. Unfortunately lots of negative stuff from this side of the argument.

The Case For

  • Physics are real

  • Humans are capable of superhuman things

  • Practice makes perfect

    • Look at Golf, Archery, Goalball

  • The non-quantifyable argument:

    • "If it wasn't real, there wouldn't be countermeasures"

    • And there are MANY countermeasures...

The Case Against

Share some images of people selling "never lose" systems

  • The hardware -- table, back wall makes it actually impossible

  • The time suck at the table

  • Fantasy land

    • I've tried and failed and have given up on the fantasy

    • It's a unicorn, plain and simple

    • Snake oil salesmen

Can it be proven either way?

Share the machine study and other folks that have tried

  • Mechanical trials

  • Lack of data

  • Slow Motion

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